Thursday, November 09, 2006

Letter to a Christian Nation

I'm still stunned by the 80% vote in support of the anti-gay Amendment 1 in TN. We know why don't we.. CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM. I know we are supposed to be nice and sweet talk these people, but how can you reason with people who believe in mythical sky-gods and demons, and who believe Jesus is coming back soon to zap them away???

Folks, there is NO sky god! He ain't up there. Your Bible is full of crap, like "if a man lies with a man he should be put to death." Now do you really believe that? Or what about "slaves obey your masters," or "women be subject to men" and "remain silent." Do you reallly believe "god" (where the fuck did "he" come from??) made the world from scratch and made ONE man and then took one of his ribs and made a "woman" and then after a few millennia decided he made a mistake and killed every living thing on the planet excpet Noah and his family and a pair of every living animal (how did they fit on that ark??), and then do you belive this "god" chose ONE race of people to be his "chosen people," and commanded them to KILL their enemies who worshipped other gods (jealousy??), and then do you believe a virgin gave birth to a god child who walked on water, had to be killed as a sacrifice to save the world, but was resurrected, and now is coming back to rescue you and punish eveyone who does not believe all this crap? Do you really believe you will live forever on some cloud while I burn in some lake of fire somewhere because I chose reason over insanity?

You can believe what you want, but please keep it to yourself, and stop trying to force your superstitious delusions on the whole fucking world!

And read these books

THE END OF FAITH by Sam Harris

THE GOD DELUSION, by Richard Dawkins


Blogger David Holt said...

Let's just be an asshole.

Friday, November 10, 2006 9:48:00 AM  
Blogger Brassmask said...

Try to give him a break.

80% of voting Tennesseeans just told him what to him and me is equivalent to the Tooth Fairy says he can't be equal to everyone else under the law.

Like when the bible was used to support slavery.

Maybe it's not as bad as African Americans had it before they got civil rights but would you be angry for being made .5% LESS equal under the law because you're left-handed or your wife because she's a red head? I think you might post a screed or two.

Is his post over the top? Sure. But it makes total sense as to why it is.

Friday, November 10, 2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Yes this is the voice of an angry queer atheist, humanist, who is fed up with religious bigots and fanatics. I'm tired of playing nice with these people.
I've had it!
I only speak for myself, NOT the gay community, most of whom are also probably Christian fundamentlalists..

A agree with Sam Harris (THE END OF FAITH & LETTER TO A CHRISTIAN NATION), religious fundamentalism is a danger to the future of civilization.

Friday, November 10, 2006 1:05:00 PM  
Blogger David Holt said...

Well this is also an example of a leftie being just as much of an intolerant asshead as the right. He's not mocking fundamentalists, he's mocking Christians in general. In addition to being bullshit, it's rants like this that gives the left a bad name. I'm a proud-sky-god believer who is fine with you not being one and who fights for progressive candidates and issues every day. Why the hell pick fights with a group-writ-large, only a portion of which are actually against you.

Friday, November 10, 2006 1:41:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

David, my anger and contempt is directed at the RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS, who still think the earth is flat and that there is a god in the sky...
I thought most liberal/intelligent theologians quit believing in that myth long ago..
If you read the "intellectual" theologians (Hans Kung and Shelby Spong) they don't even believe the Jewish sky god Jehovah actually exits...
I am critical of all Bible -based religions, since it is all myth, but I'm angry and have contempt for the fundamentalists who reject reason, humanism and reason and do not respect the separation of church and state. I will argue with but respect liberal Christians, but I have nothing but contempt for the flat-earthers.

Friday, November 10, 2006 2:12:00 PM  
Blogger Evil said...

Um, I don't know where to begin, but I will begin with I told you so. The fact that you believed that Harold would have been better off being against something that %80 of the public was for proves you know next to nothing about politics. I wish we wouldn't have had that amendment on the ballot and I am one of the proud twenty percent, but I don't think you get people to see things your way by calling them ignorant or delusional. Just like they aren't able to get you to stop being gay by telling you the "sky god" thinks it's bad.

Friday, November 10, 2006 4:56:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Lets see Evil, wasn't Steve Cohen also against this evil amendment that 80% of the people were for.. and he got eletected :)
How little you know about politics..

And we could go across the country and look at the candidates who won who opposed similar anti-gay measures..

Friday, November 10, 2006 5:18:00 PM  
Blogger Brassmask said...

I don't know how many of you listen to Mike Fleming but I do sometimes.

Imagine my amazement when I tuned and the first thing I hear coming out of the radio is this very post by Jim Maynard being read aloud.

I listened for the number to call in and when they told it, I called immediately.

I got on nearly right away but while I was waiting, I was again dumbfounded to hear a conservative talking about something that I have speculated on for a long time. The con was saying that it seemed to him that W had basically thrown the elections and it seemed odd to him how Bill Clinton and Bush 41 are all chummy.

Yes! He suspected that there was collusion between the Clintons and the Bush's. Fleming was aghast and dumbfounded.

I got on with Mike and started talking about Jim's "screed" and asking Mike to try to understand and it kind of boiled down to he just didn't like the tone of it and that people had spoken. I retorted with the idea that the majority is not always right.

I said in the '50's and '60's Southerners would have voted to keep AA's from getting the vote. To which he agreed but this is a democracy. He had to go, but I said that it seemed he was winding up but I wanted to comment on the previous caller.

He was again aghast that I had thought that as well. He said that they had to go but said that he hoped I'd call again.

I said, I sure will, Mike. I sure will.

Friday, November 10, 2006 6:07:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

I will have to email Mike and thank him for airing my Letter to a "Christian" Nation...

I Know I know, "liberals" will be angry at me too for offending the Christo-fascists, but I'm tired of playing defense with people who still live in the 15th century, there is no excuse for it, we have to do SOMETHING to move people along into the 21st century..its time for those of us who are atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, etc. to stop begging for acceptacne and tolerance, its time to go on the OFFENSEIVE and call them out..

Friday, November 10, 2006 6:18:00 PM  
Blogger Brassmask said...

Hey, brother, you're preaching to the choir. I've spent hours online typing posts just like the one that you did today. I know where you're coming from.
Somebody online asked me if I had ever talked to Richard Dawkins when his latest book came out because I'm always calling theism a delusion in one of the forums I post in.

I fully empathize with you're post. The thing that I hope you realize, as I have, that theism (beleiving in a god) entrenches itself against attack. Christianity is notoriously full of plausible deniability and failsafes that only harden a theists belief when attacked or analyzed or even questioned. Eventually, it holds the trump card. Faith. And if a being is willing to say, "MY faith trumps everything" then no amount of discussion, seige or vitriol is going to change their minds.

It is actually an acheivement to the fundie (not all christians and I know that was never your point or the target of your post as David thought) to ignore anything put in their face and turn to their lord and saviour and ignore facts.

And I just realized the horrible irony. They choose to be this that you and I so disdain. They are trained by their environment or they are recruited to this belief. No one is BORN a christian.

As opposed to how homosexuals come about.

But all I'm saying about your post is there is nothing wrong with it's content or its intent. The only thing I wish was different is its delivery. You're right and as I told Mike Fleming, the majority only has to be effectively shown that it is wrong through the use of law and justice and logic.

Friday, November 10, 2006 9:16:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Thanks Brass,
Well I as usuall I get "emotional" (I guess its the gay gene), and sometimes someone has to wake people up, even if it pisses them off.... You are right though, it would be better to use justic and logic, but that doesn't seem to work with religious fanatics... so I don't know what else to do but start screaming!

I am a minority even in the gay community, since most of them are "Christian" (which I respect) but we even have a lot of gay "fundamentalist Christians" who I understand even LESS than the gay republicans.
I'm trying to shake the "spokesperson for the gay community" chains, but some people will accuse me of brigning even more fire and brimestone down upon the gays, but I have to start speaking now as an ATHEIST.

I travel to Mississippi to do title searches inthe DeSoto courthouse, and right up on the courthouse door is a sign for a ONE NATION UNDER GOD celebration! They have a BIBLE laid out in the tax collectors office!
And people wonder why we atheists get angry and upset :)

Friday, November 10, 2006 9:36:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

As an interesting aside, blogger's word verification for this comment is


which sounds like a screen name.

And Jim, I am equally dismayed by the levels of homophobia on display in Tennessee. People are offended by what you wrote because the truth has a well-known known liberal bias.

Monday, November 13, 2006 11:00:00 AM  
Blogger Evil said...

Jim, Steve ran for a safe Democratic seat, of course he could be against the amendment. Jr. also ran up huge numbers in Shelby County. Do you have a point. The point is in order to win, which should be the goal, Jr. needed to do better, not worse, in northeast and northwest TN. Being pro-gay marriage would not have helped that effort.

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:33:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Evil, how many times to I have to say it, HFJ DID NOT HAVE TO SUPPORT AMENDMENT 1 TO BE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE. Many conservative politicians also oppose anti-gay amendments while also opposing gay marriage. Kerry was against gay marriage, but opposed the Federal Marriage Amendment. Cohen said HE was against gay marriage too, but he opposed amending the constitution, etc... A politician can be both opposed to gay marriage and oppose these unneccessary amendments.
What HFJ did was political cowardice.
He played the conservative Pro-God/Anti-Gay card..
And he still lost!
There, Harold Ford Jr. is a political coward.

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:17:00 PM  
Blogger Evil said...

Kerry lost every southern state. Every single one.

As W. has shown one can be "for" the amendment and not actually get it passed, as well.

You can call him a political coward all you want. I think it takes a lot more conviction to put your name on a ballot and be attacked by Bob Corker as someone who supports school children getting abortions than it does to attack people on a blog.

I guess we just have different standards.

Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:12:00 AM  

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