Wednesday, November 01, 2006

Does Ford Church Rally Violate Constitution or Law?

Commercial Appeal Church Rally Draws Fire

Was the Ford/Clinton campaign rally at the Temple Deliverance Church of God in Christ was a violation of tax laws for churches? It was a close breach of the constitutional sepration of church and state. Why do the Democrats & Republicans ignore the U.S. Constitution when it comes to religion and politics??
What if the Bob Corker campaign had a rally at Bellevue Baptist Church?
Americans United for Sep. of Church & State are correct to criticize BOTH sides!
Shame on Harodl Ford Jr. (and the Democratic Party) for thier disregard of the Separation of Church and State!

Wonder if the Temple Deliverance COGIC will be able to keep their tax exemption??


Blogger LeftWingCracker said...

They rented the building. Next?

Wednesday, November 01, 2006 3:38:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

It doesn't matter, it is still wrong for churches to be used for political rallies. Churches should not be used at all. And as Americans United points out, even renting a church for partisan political events is questionable.
And if any of the church officials were involved in the rally endorsing Ford, they definitely crossed the line.

Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:06:00 PM  
Blogger David Holt said...

To your point about church officials are you saying that people who are official in a church aren't allowed to go to political rallies? What the heck is that about. As far as renting the building, how exactly does renting out a building destroy the seperation of church and state? They can rent out the building just like any other group does. There aren't exactly a ton of buildings that can hold that kind of an event.

Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:13:00 PM  
Blogger LeftWingCracker said...

With the Griz opening at home tonight, the FedExForum would not have been available. Who knows what kind of condition the Pyramid is in, so what does that leave?

Churches. They paid their rent, so that clears it.

Look, Jim, I have just as much problem with the mixing of church and state as anyone, but if Corker RENTED Bellevue, I might grumble, but it would be a natural choice.

Wednesday, November 01, 2006 4:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't the issue one for the tax code and not the Constitution? The churches possible donation to a poltical candidate and/or party might put its non-profit status at risk, but this is not a consitutional issue at all. Asin no way does Clinton and FOrd or Republican candidate speaking at church rise to the of Congress making a law establishing a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:05:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Well, I'm not sure of the legalities of "renting" a church, there are a lot of things go into that seem to be supporting a particular candidate. Especially if the leaders of the church PARTICIPATED in the rally and endorsed a particular candidate, I would think that would definitely be a violation of something..

Anonymous may be right, it may be more of a tax code issue than a Constitutional issue, so I should rephrase my post I guess...

I don't think partisan political events should ever be held in churches period. I know churches have played more of a political role in the African-American community, but it sure makes me just as uncomfortable as Republicans and their Churches.

And HFJr is trying to play the preacher-politician role and his Bible-thumping sermons really conceren me.

Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:17:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

They've been using churches forever.

What would be a violation is if the leaders of the church stood up during the church service and told their people to go vote for HFJ.

But it isn't a violation if the preacher does it at church during a non-church function, or after church, or before church. What you seem to be saying is that preacher shouldn't be allowed to voice political opinions because they are preachers. And even if it would be politically convenient to shut up the evangelicals, the Constitution is there to protect all of us.

Thursday, November 02, 2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Brassmask said...

I can't remember how to send everyone one of those mail emails but i wanted to let everyone know they're having another "FORD IS THE KING" threads over at DailyKos and I'm getting troll-rated out of existence.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:20:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Jeff, I agree with the first part of your post:
"What would be a violation is if the leaders of the church stood up during the church service and told their people to go vote for HFJ."
That's what I was concerned about, I wasn't there and haven't read anything that discusses the role the COGIC played in the campaign rally, so I don't know..

I am not saying preachers or religious people should not be allowed to exercise their rights.
As an "atheist" I'm a hyper-sensitive to politicians using religion, religion using politicians, to impose religious beliefs, and when politicians like Harold Ford Jr. turn a political campaign into a religious/church revival, I get concerned.
Ford has sided with the Christian Right on a number of measures to weaken the sep. of church/state and make it easier for churches to be political and stilll get their tax exemptions.
Personally, I oppose any tax exemptions for churches, especially the fundamentlists who turn religion into a business and a political action committee to raise money, they shouldn't be tax exempt anyway..
Personally, I question the sincerity of HRJ's bible-thumping campaign, it looks like blatant pandering to me.

Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:08:00 PM  
Blogger Jeff said...

The Constitution protects Ford's right to pander shamelessly.

And churches shouldn't be tax-exempt in the first place. It's a form of reverse patronage usually reserved for the giant corporations.

Friday, November 03, 2006 10:16:00 AM  

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