Monday, August 07, 2006

How Green is my Party?


Kos points out that not just the Pennsylvania Green Party, but the NATIONAL Green Party, has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the Republican National Committee, who provided not only money, but FOOT SOLDIERS for these people of virtue.

Here's a choice cut, which Kos took from philly.com:

Six staffers on Sen. Rick Santorum's campaign - including an intern who tailed Democratic candidate Bob Casey Jr. in a duck costume - collected voter signatures to help place the Green Party on the fall ballot.

OOPS.

18 Comments:

Blogger Jim Maynard said...

And Cracker, the COMMUNIST PARTY is actually campaigning for Democrats!
So now what??

And since you "Democrats" what to play this game of trying to accuse the Greens of being funded by the GOP, here's a message from Chris Lugo, the PROGRESSIVE CANIDIDATE for TN Senate:
This is for Freedonian, who can start eating his hat now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lugo
Sent: Aug 7, 2006 2:22 PM
To: Jim Maynard
Subject: Re: Campaign Donations


Jim,

Please tell your friend that eight five percent of my donations have come from individuals that I know personally, all of whom vote either green or democrat. Fifteen percent of the donations I have received via paypal are donations from indviduals whose political affiliation I cannot directly account for. Please tell your friend that I would never knowingly accept funds from a Republican specifically for the purpose of subverting a Democrat. Please tell your friend that the Democrat running this year does not represent the vast majority of my values as an individual and this is the only reason I am running.

Thanks
Chris

I will send that defaced Green Party logo to the Green Party and see what their lawyers think about it..
How low will you people go to support a CONSERVATIVE Democrat.

Monday, August 07, 2006 4:37:00 PM  
Blogger LeftWingCracker said...

That came from the Kos comments...

Is this a threat?

Monday, August 07, 2006 4:57:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Not to you, but I think the Green Party should take necessary legal action against whoever is responsible.

I hope they will..

Monday, August 07, 2006 5:06:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Apparently, the Democratic Party in PA is too embarrassed to defend their candidate Bob Casey (pro-life, anti-gay), that they have to attack the Green Party instead of focusing on how great their candidate is..

Monday, August 07, 2006 5:15:00 PM  
Blogger Evil said...

Um, I believe that may be protected as satire.

But, it brings up a point. Why are Republicans funding the Green party? Are they dumb? Don't they see that these guys are progressives and get two to three percent of the vote? Why would they support them?

I wonder...

Monday, August 07, 2006 5:19:00 PM  
Blogger Freedonian said...

You know Jim, I've really tried to be nice. I really have. I'm not all that good at it, so I was working against form. But after this... I'm fresh out of patience with you.

A week ago, the Republicans didn't know which one of their guys was going to get the nomination. Why would they be helping Lugo out already? And come to think of it, why the hell do I believe someone that doesn't do a disclosure? The PA Greens are also trying to say they took no Republican money, so I can't bring myself to give a flying shit what he says in an email.

Over the course of the campaign, you'll be able to check the names off of the list--- Provided that Lugo breaks form for a Green candidate and grows the balls to do a campaign disclosure.

Until then, you can go on and continue being a political danger to yourself and others.

I'm through talking to you. You'd rather have something to complain about than actually get something accomplished anyway. And when you tried to say that Clinton did more damage to gays than Reagan, you demonstrated that you are not to be taken all that seriously. Clinton took an ass kicking to give you guys the chance to serve in the military. Reagan withheld AIDS funding as long as it was considered a "gay" disease. If you can compare those two, then you're as batshit crazy as the Republicans you're helping.

When you're ready to actually have a substantive conversation, let me know.

Monday, August 07, 2006 5:37:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Again, I hated Ronald Reagan, and I was so glad to get Bill Clinton elected. And he screwd us, just like Harold Ford Jr. I'm tired of getting screwed!

Freedonian, if you represent the "Democratic Party" I want nothing to do with it.

If the Democratic Party has become this insipid and spinless I want nothing to do with it...

Chris Lugo and I will be looking for ward to watching you eat you hat.. if you keep your word.

Monday, August 07, 2006 6:17:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

I apologize for that Freedonian..
Let me take some time off and cool down..
I need to think about things some more...

I'm taking a break from The Cue for a while guys.. sorry..

I don't see this going anywhere..

Monday, August 07, 2006 6:25:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Freedonian, my point was that laws restricting the rights of gays and lesbians were supported and passed with the support of Bill Clinton (Dont' Ask, and the Defense of Marriage Act), nothing like that was made into law under REagan or Bush I.. they did lots of other horrible things, especially Reagan, and I give you the AIDS crises, but I don't equate AIDS and gay rights..I'm talking about the civil rights of gays, those rights were RESTRICTED by Bill Clinton.

So since I'm so "batshit crazy" for pointing this out... I will shut up now.

Monday, August 07, 2006 6:32:00 PM  
Blogger Freedonian said...

First, I don't accept your apology because I don't think it's necessary. Comments like the ones below are exactly what i was trying to get out of you.

Thank you.

Freedonian, my point was that laws restricting the rights of gays and lesbians were supported and passed with the support of Bill Clinton (Dont' Ask, and the Defense of Marriage Act), nothing like that was made into law under REagan or Bush I.. they did lots of other horrible things, especially Reagan, and I give you the AIDS crises, but I don't equate AIDS and gay rights..I'm talking about the civil rights of gays, those rights were RESTRICTED by Bill Clinton.

I count them as gay rights because the homosexual aspect of it was what made Reagan do what he did. He looked at a health problem as a means to discriminate and to punish. "Don't ask, don't tell" doesn't equate to that.

By the time DOMA went through, Clinton was damn near powerless. He was outmuscled by the GOP every step of the way. It's where the nation was at that moment.

And you know what? It's still there. All of us progressives are guilty of this--- Not just gays. We haven't done good enough of a job bringing the country to us. And we cannot expect elected officials to stick their heads on the chopping blocks (And that's exactly what Ford does if he votes for gay marriage) when we haven't brought the nation to them on it.

And furthermore... What happens when guys like you turn away from the Democrats? Well, that means the liberal wing no longer supports them. And playing to you becomes evenb less of a priority.

I'd hate to see you pull back. It would be a shame.

Monday, August 07, 2006 6:44:00 PM  
Blogger David Holt said...

I'm not anyone's mother, but let's play nice everyone. Maybe I should post cat pictures like halfbakered?

Monday, August 07, 2006 6:45:00 PM  
Blogger David Holt said...

And Maynard, I'd hate to see you pull away.

Monday, August 07, 2006 6:46:00 PM  
Blogger Jim Maynard said...

Thanks Freedonian,
Well I apoligize anyway damnit!
Let's not argue about that :)

Now, I honestly think eveyone has some good points in this heated argument (alhtough I don't think I've made mine very well), and I have been very tempted to join the Party Choir, but I just can't.

I'm in political agony right now. I have not YET decided to join the Green Party, I WANT to be a Democrat! I'm glad Howard Dean and the DNC have spoken out against the Republican attacks on gays and the Federal Marriage Amendment, but then our Democratic Party has nominated a person who is CAMPAIGNING TO OUTLAW GAY MARRIAGE! That anin't all, he wants the Ten Commandments up on the Courthouse walls! He wants school kids to say the Lord's Prayer! He wants to restrict a women's right to abortion! He wants to send MORE troops to Iraq!
(No, I'm not just focused on gay issues.. this is all part of a big ugly gross package!)

So how can I support a candidate, or even A PARTY, that would choose this person to represent us in Congress??

Why should I give my support to this anti-gay right-wing Democrat instead of candidates with NO MONEY, NO big party support, no big corporate donations, who put step up and say I SUPPORT YOU AND YOUR RIGHTS?
And then to see these brave candidates being ATTACKED by so-called "progressive Democrats" just makes me ill.

Yes, I am an emotional queer, and I apologize for my outbursts, I know I have undermined any rational argument I've tried to make..
I am going to try to step back now and take a break...at least from the Cue, I may still pose some on my Queer Notes Blog.. but I realy need to take a break for a few days at least and get my self together..

In Solidarity,
Jim

Monday, August 07, 2006 7:14:00 PM  
Blogger Freedonian said...

Jim,

I am owed no apology. In fact, I apologize for my part in it. I get as heated about some of these issues as anyone else.

I've got an idea you might like. I want gays to have more of a voice in the party itself than they have right now, and this may be worth looking into.

When I argue with you, it's not that I disagree with your goals one bit. It's that there are effective ways to go about it, and while I understand the urge, jumping ship to the Greens isn't the way to do it. If you want to make a fundamental change in any organization, for example, the Democratic Party, you do it by taking a seat at the table. And I want to help you with that. These "Jesus says it's bad" people get on my last nerve. I would imagine that Bishop Steib meets the "expert witness" criteria when it comes to religion, and he's got probably the most ambitious gay outreach program I've ever seen outside of the Episcopal Church.

I've tried to call you once already. I'll try again and actually leave a message this time.

From one Maynard to another (Who knows? We might have a gene or two in common, although I'm not aware of it), I'd hate to see you take the time off.

Never apologize, Jim. I hope to talk to you soon.

Monday, August 07, 2006 8:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greetings,

My name is Chris Lugo and I am the Green Party of Tennessee candidate for US Senate. I would like to say that I personally am highly embarassed by the situation in Pennsylvania and I feel that it lays a very bad light on an otherwise very positive organization. I am embarassed that a fellow Green would accept money from a Republican specifically for the purpose of running against a Democrat and I vow publicly that I have never knowingly taken money from a Republican myself, although I cannot account for 15 percent of my donations which are received via paypal in terms of political affiliation. I believe that Democrats and Greens have a natural alliance on many issues that are of concern to progressives. Thanks for your consideration.

Chris Lugo
Green Party of Tennessee
Candidate for US Senate
www.chris4senate.com

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous sonof2ravens said...

Support IRV (Instant Runoff Voting)and the issue goes away.
Besides the Green Party is the only party I know that recognizes Gore won Florida. A position the democratic party cannot stomach.

PS I agree with Molly Ivans when she stated that she would not vote democratic if Hillary is nominated.

Bill Moyers for President in 2006.

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:10:00 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

Cross-posted from LWC:

I am of the opinion that whatever the merits of the Green Party, the real hope, if any, is in turning the Democrats around.

But we can't turn them around if we keep enabling and encouraging the party leadership by voting for the Harold Lieberfords they promote. Vote Corker, vote Green, vote anybody but Ford - or none of the above.

Mark my words. Corker is the lesser of two evils. I will keep saying this: A Republican you can SEE is better than one you can't.

I hope and pray that today (CT) will be the start of a new era. God willing, the MF'ng Bush-appeasers will be quaking in their boots tonight.


[Clarification: Don't vote Corker if you can help it.]

As I understand it, y'all are afraid to go up against the Ford machine. That is sadly misguided.

The long-term best interest of Memphis is to get rid of the stuff that is clogging the pipes, making room for a new generation of political leadership. So I say,

Flush Ford. Then flush Corker.

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:49:00 AM  
Blogger Evil said...

I believe that our nations energy policy is the most important issue facing us today. It ties in to a lot of what I feel are important issues (i.e. National Security, Environment, Economy, etc.) Harold Ford has been attacking the President and the Republicans for their shortsightedness on this issue. I think he is doing a better job than anyone else in the country on this issue and that alone would be enough for me to support him.

Harold is also strong on balancing the budget and cutting pork projects. I agree with that.

I've heard him talk at length on education and I agree with a lot (not everything) he says.

While he may not be 100% pro-choice, he is pretty stongly pro-choice and hasn't flipped around on the issue like Corker.

He's pro stem-cell research, which I think is very important.

Is he pro gay marriage? No. But how many Senators are? How many Americans are? Not enough.

Did he vote for the war in Iraq? Yes, so did a lot of Democrats. That sucks, but he does not attack Democrats who are anti-war like Joe Lieberman and that is where I draw the line.

In sum, Harold is right on a whole lot more than Bob Corker. He's a good candidate who, unlike anybody else running, got his act together and won the Democratic Party nomination. You can say others "got caught with their pants down", but that is a sorry excuse. If you wanted someone to beat him then you had YEARS to plan for it just like he did. You didn't. He did.

It's time to stop focusing on the things you don't like and start focusing on reality. The reality is that this could be the sixth seat the Dems need to take control of the Senate, and I think we can all agree that this world would be a little better if that happened.

Oh, and he's from Memphis, which doesn't hurt.

Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:54:00 AM  

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